This is really exciting! My brain thanks everyone who worked on bringing this feature to life. It will be much easier to remember how to embed rich content now.
@msarit what will be the process of proposing the addition of new content types moving forward? I'd love to see support for websites like Bandcamp and a few others.
And just for fun, here is a soundcloud embed featuring one of my favorite songs from J.Cole 🥳
I should ask, what does everyone think about also including the rich content embed as a button inside the markdown toolbar? I feel like users who have never used markdown before would find that useful. However it might become confusing with the code + code block options that already exist within the markdown toolbar.
@ildi YES! on the embed button on the markdown toolbar. It was in my original list of dreams for the markdown toolbar but got cut because we had this had this project queued up as a predecessor. (I am often at war with myself, the banes of Product Owner life). I'm captured this as a GitHub discussion.
Re: other embed options
Stay tuned. I know that right now @msarit is working on Loom. But both this new structure and the work she has done to document all this should make it easier for us to say yes to more embeds moving forward. With the old liquid tag structure it each additional tag was creating a burden for our team.
Maybe there should be a post on here or github where everyone can send their requests for which embed options they would like to see added. Would also be nice to get an idea of which requests are the most popular from both Forem admins + users. But im glad that adding new embed options is much less of a burden now.
Most interent users have become conditioned and expect that they should be able to embed anything that they can get an embed code for. When I've encountered a platform that doesn't support all embed code, I wonder why and then just avoid using that platfrom or tool. Im not sure if others also feel the same way. It could also be that I've mostly become accustomed to working with Wordpress, so I just expect all embed code scripts to work.
I also strongly believe that a new user who joins a Forem should be able to quickly understand how they can embed a YouTube video when they go to compose their first post. If they get confused and dont see the option right in front of them, then we've lost, they might just give up and never attempt to post again. I got feedback like this when I first launched my own Forem, and I even discovered that users were not willing to bring it up to me, so it was a problem that they encourtered and instead of asking for help they just avoided posting all together. And of course we do have instructions on how users can achieve that, but for most users, they expect embeding to work the same as it does across the web and are not likely to put effort into learning a new way of doing the same thing. If anything they just assume that the option doesnt exist and move on. I know for a community like Dev whose main audience is developers, this might not be an issue since those users are familiar with markdown.
So we have two improvements we are working on right now and then, yes, I would totally be interested in opening up the discussion (@ellativity let's remember this in the future, eh?)
The first is adding a embed "fallback" to Open Graph / Twitter Card. This should hit a lot of URLs that will be awesome and make it more seamless for users (instead of having to reference a guide to what's supported).
The other is adding the "embed" link to the markdown tool bar just like the "link" we do now. Then we will add the markdown tool bar to comments. (I can't wait!)
This is really exciting! My brain thanks everyone who worked on bringing this feature to life. It will be much easier to remember how to embed rich content now.
@msarit what will be the process of proposing the addition of new content types moving forward? I'd love to see support for websites like Bandcamp and a few others.
And just for fun, here is a soundcloud embed featuring one of my favorite songs from J.Cole 🥳
I should ask, what does everyone think about also including the rich content embed as a button inside the markdown toolbar? I feel like users who have never used markdown before would find that useful. However it might become confusing with the code + code block options that already exist within the markdown toolbar.
@ildi YES! on the embed button on the markdown toolbar. It was in my original list of dreams for the markdown toolbar but got cut because we had this had this project queued up as a predecessor. (I am often at war with myself, the banes of Product Owner life). I'm captured this as a GitHub discussion.
Re: other embed options
Stay tuned. I know that right now @msarit is working on Loom. But both this new structure and the work she has done to document all this should make it easier for us to say yes to more embeds moving forward. With the old liquid tag structure it each additional tag was creating a burden for our team.
Maybe there should be a post on here or github where everyone can send their requests for which embed options they would like to see added. Would also be nice to get an idea of which requests are the most popular from both Forem admins + users. But im glad that adding new embed options is much less of a burden now.
Most interent users have become conditioned and expect that they should be able to embed anything that they can get an embed code for. When I've encountered a platform that doesn't support all embed code, I wonder why and then just avoid using that platfrom or tool. Im not sure if others also feel the same way. It could also be that I've mostly become accustomed to working with Wordpress, so I just expect all embed code scripts to work.
I also strongly believe that a new user who joins a Forem should be able to quickly understand how they can embed a YouTube video when they go to compose their first post. If they get confused and dont see the option right in front of them, then we've lost, they might just give up and never attempt to post again. I got feedback like this when I first launched my own Forem, and I even discovered that users were not willing to bring it up to me, so it was a problem that they encourtered and instead of asking for help they just avoided posting all together. And of course we do have instructions on how users can achieve that, but for most users, they expect embeding to work the same as it does across the web and are not likely to put effort into learning a new way of doing the same thing. If anything they just assume that the option doesnt exist and move on. I know for a community like Dev whose main audience is developers, this might not be an issue since those users are familiar with markdown.
So we have two improvements we are working on right now and then, yes, I would totally be interested in opening up the discussion (@ellativity let's remember this in the future, eh?)
The first is adding a embed "fallback" to Open Graph / Twitter Card. This should hit a lot of URLs that will be awesome and make it more seamless for users (instead of having to reference a guide to what's supported).
The other is adding the "embed" link to the markdown tool bar just like the "link" we do now. Then we will add the markdown tool bar to comments. (I can't wait!)
Does that answer your thoughts Ildi?
Yes it does and thank you @jennieocken 😀
Toolbar in comments will be so welcomed!